MadPole
Finale!
For your delectation,
below part ten of my correspondence
with the insane philosopher who is the only
mortal who actually knows the truth.
Typical MadPole
quote:
"Spirit-Spiritual
- after few beers one feels part of the Universe"
eadon:The
other day two dull Christians told me that I
am missing God in my life. But when I look at
the dull Christians (and other religions) I
sense that this spiritualism is utter b*ll*cks.
MadPole:
Christians are right although they are wrong!
I absolutely agree with them - in a way - this
is an essence of my message. At the same time
- my advice is - don't mix up with them!
Christian INSTITUTION is very near FASCISM!
Let's be honest! At the same time - as I mentioned
before - when I talk about religion I do not
mean INSTITUTION! And in this respect Christians
are absolutely spot on! You do miss God as I
did few years ago! And although I am still "not
religious" I have found my God! One needs to
have a "religion" in one's life - is as simple
as that.
eadon:
Perhaps your brain is trying to affect my brain.
This is ironic because it goes against what
your brain tells you it stands for.
MadPole:
Well spotted! Paradox and Catch22 on every corner!
eadon:
The more I read about spiritual matters the
more crazy they seem to me. For example when
I began reading the bible my respect for Christianity
went down, not up. It is just total nonsence.
And the stuff I read about spiritual matters
seems like nonsense also. The more I learn about
it the less spiritual I become. Before I read
this stuff I have a certain feeling of what
spiritualist matters are, romantic notions.
Then I read these books by obvious nutters and
I realise how lucky I am not to be spiritual.
Spiritualism is a trap, like religion is a trap.
It is a way of trying to escape reality by pretending
that reality does not exist. Spiritualism is
head in the sand stuff. It might make you feel
better for precisely those reasons, but personally
I am happier dealing with the truth. I don't
want to dabble in fantasy even if it means I
will be happier.
The thought of being happy and ignorant of reality
scares me. I think that the happiness is like
the happiness derived from a powerful drug.
It comes at a price. I think the the advocates
of relition and spiritualism are like a drug
dealers pushing drugs onto you. They might bring
happiness of sorts but it is a dangerous path
to travel down. What you seek might be a false
idol.
As someone said, always be extremely suspicious
of a belief if the belief brings great comfort.
Remember that for it is wise: one should be
extremely suspicious of spiritualism. If you
want to believe then you
will believe.
If that is the action required to be spiritual
then one should not take it. I look askance
at comforting beliefs. Comforting beliefs are,
after all, what spiritualism is. Be wary! That
is why I do not "do" spiritualism, the experiment
is not a wise one, perhaps. I am interested
in fire but I do not place my hand into it.
Likewise I do not want to capitulate my mind
to false beliefs, even if they are comforting.
MadPole:
This is, if You pardon me, total bollox! I am
very "touchy" on this subject because I believed
the same! And it took me 20 years of suffering
to realize that.... it is bollox! You are talking
like Polish person - suffering is good, happiness
is not! I am saying: "Seek happiness and You
will find it through suffering"! Same thing
but totally different! Don't worry - suffering
is "around" - there is no need to hang to it
- You will get it anyway! I turned down happiness
20 years ago because it was just..... happy
paradise! And now I believe that primary responsibility
of anyone is to be ... happy!
This "theory" was confirmed by expert - 4 year
old child I met! And children for me are the
best philosophers!
She said: "It is wonderful day today"
And I asked her: "Why?"
And she replied: "Because we are all laughing
a lot!"
This is it - essence of life from the most reliable
source - a child! I was deeply touched by her
comment - because it took me 30 years to come
with the same conclusion! And 4-year old did
it naturally and without any analysis!
eadon:The
child analysed the situation very well. Children
are the best analysts. Children, not adults,
should be analyst programmers.
OK, I don't know what you are trying to say.
Is happiness only achievable by deluding oneself?
Why not just
be happy? Its as
simple as that. Be happy! Happiness is independent
of spiritualism or intellectualism. Be happy!
Bullshit won't make you happy. The thing that
makes you happy is not what you believe but
your outlook on life. Probably. The child is
happy but probably doesn't believe in spiritual
bollox. It's just
happy because other
people are
happy.
I feel sorry for people blaming their unhappiness
on others. Some blame their parents. This is
self defeating because it means no solution
will present its self. (Unless, perhaps, waiting
for them to die)
MadPole:
Be happy. Laugh a lot. That's all! No spiritualism
or bulshit involved! But sometimes it is a long
way to get to this stage! That's all!
First time I went to Roman Catholic Church not
because I was dragged to it but because I wanted
to! All religions merged for me! I am "non-believer"
who believes in God! God which my body represents!
First time in my life I was "above" institution
and "touched" "real" religion! First time in
my life it was church I wanted - any church
- any gathering of people who "believe" - in
whatever! Power of people is something one should
never underestimate!
eadon:
- Any church will do!? Any religion will do!
Ah! the desire to believe is great indeed. You
believe none of it yet you are willing to believe
all of it. You are a non believer who believes.
This is the sobre man who pretends he is drunk.
You don't really believe in spiritualism. You
are trying to believe in something that doesn't
exist because you think you ought to. A polish
man has been corrupted by British intellectuallism.
A polish man finds (metaphorically speaking)
out that Father Xmas does not exist, there are
no tooth fairies. But he believes that they
exist anyway because he thinks that he is not
complete if he doesn't believe or "
DO"!
What do you mean by DO? Does "Doing" mean
putting a stocking out for Father Xmas to fill
it with presents? That is doing. Believing in
father Xmas is "Doing". But being intellectual
is not doing. Hmmmm. I can believe that your
"Doing", believing is Father Xmas is Doing and
is pleasant, but is it all just a mirage? a
spectre? an illusion. Beware pleasant beliefs.
Beware of pleasant
do. For the brain
will always seek that which is pleasant, even
if, expecially if it is self delusional. But
I don't want to dissuade you. I think you know
what you are up to!
My philosophy is believe in something if there
is evidence and only then. Spiritualism is just
a trick of the subconscious. it's very powerful
but it's just the subconscious. Its the brain!!!
And brains are not truth machines. They are
utterly fallible. So be careful what brain tells
you, as you always point out to me! Oscar Wilde
said, "Never believe anything you hear and certainly
never believe anything you see." Wilde probably
wouldn't have cared to agree with a word I've
said but it's a nice quote.
MadPole:
Complements! You have a problem with word "spiritualism".
Only yesterday I was talking to somebody that
I would love to have my eyes closed for half
a year and then my ears closed for half a year
and then perhaps.... both of them closed for
half a year as well! I have experimented with
tying my eyes at home and trying to "live my
life". I have tried to walk with my eyes closed!
It is so funny! We are talking about the same
thing but at the same time the gap is so big.
And subconscious my friend is... a gate between
You and the whole Universe! Ignore it and You
will trap yourself "inside"! Drinking (and You
told me this!) is the best example! Spirit-Spiritual
- after few beers one feels part of the Universe!
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Epilogue
The dialogue on this page took
place during Dec 1999 and Jan 2000.
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