MadPole
Mad Pope
For your delectation,
below part five of my correspondence
with the insane philosopher who is the only
mortal who actually knows the truth.
Typical MadPole
quote:
"And hey presto, suddenly
I feel direct relation of Good Old Grandpa Big
Bang!"
MadPole:
It is quite funny how You can spot Catholic
Priest from miles.... he will be the one who
visits You for a drink or two....
eadon:
Or if you are a woman, maybe more than that!
Or if you are a choir boy...
MadPole:
[
Religion at time: undefined,
if any] But still.... Bible DOES contain
the truth..... It is just a matter of interpretation.
It took me probably 20 years of hatred towards
bible and catholic religion to realise that.
But I am interested in Bible although find the
style very difficult to read.
eadon:
[
Religion at time: atheist]
I agree, it's
very interesting, though
very dodgy. I suspect that a lot of the biblical
stories are meant to be metaphorical and allegorical.
In those days story telling was allegorical.
But people these days often insist on taking
everything literally. If it was not meant to
be taken literally then the bible makes more
sense. I also have a deep suspicion that nearly
all of the real meaning is lost in the translation
from the ancient Hebrew.
MadPole:
I was thinking absolutely the same thing! One
is not in a position to discuss the bible until
one read it in its original form and language.
And we simply do not have this opportunity.
eadon:
Incest is another thing in the bible writ large.
All these things that are supposed to be sins
are celebrated in the Old Testament. It's quite
amazing considering how preachy the church is
about avoiding sin. I think that the modern
church is perhaps not true to the real spirit
of Christianity.
MadPole:
You see - it all makes sense - it is that somebody
totally changed the concepts of the whole thing!
Usual human striving for power! Sin is a symbol
and very clear symbol.... unfortunately it is
not a symbol of what Catholic Priests claim
it is.....but I think I understand what Jesus
had in mind..... the fact whether Jesus existed
or not is totally irrelevant here..... some
information has been written and it is obvious
that this information came from THE SOURCE....
whoever wrote it is not important.....we are
all part of this SOURCE.
eadon:
The Bible is interesting in the same way as
fairy tales! There are true elements are there
are untrue elements.
MadPole:
And what's wrong with fairy tales?!!! And what's
the difference between fairy tales, bible or
detective story? Levels, levels again. Go deeper,
deeper down. Raise above the letters. Raise
above the content. Raise above interpretations.
Forget about book, print. Go further than that.
Treat yourself! Take yourself for a journey
to the source. Stepping back and back... Breaking
the barriers and seeing the levels. And how
they are glued together. There is a book. There
is thought which produced this book. There is
a brain which produced this thought. There is
a matter which produced this brain.
It is always fun to see things "behind" something,
to see the cause of the effect, to see how knowledge
flows through everything, to see how unrelated
incidents start to form a pattern, develop and
gain shape. There is always "something" "behind"
"something". No conclusion is final. The thought
of my brain takes me to animal, then veggie
worlds, and all the way to the big bang, and
hey presto, suddenly I feel direct relation
of Good Old Grandpa Big Bang!
eadon:
When I said the Bible is like a fairy tale,
it is denigrating to the bible because it [the
Bible] makes claims to be much more. But fairy
tales themselves are splendid! Where would childhood
be without them? My worry is that political
correctness will ruin new ones. I hope to reread
some Brothers Grimm tales at some stage. Books
are full of levels. Atoms make paper and ink
which make letters which form words, sentences,
paragraphs, chapters and books. The meaning
of a book is not expressed directly in any one
sentence. It is something that arose from these
things when taken together. I reckon that a
book containing only untruths could have a true
meaning or true levels of meanings. This is
probably the best type of book! Lies on one
level lead to truth on another.
MadPole:
The [Bible] message is this: that we, allegedly
the most intelligent creatures on this planet
(which I don't believe in) are enslaving ourselves
like mad! That all the suffering could end today
- we imposed it all on ourselves for God knows
what reason. Anyway - Bible and Relativity:
Once one starts to see actions, interactions,
different aspects, different levels, how they
are glued together, how they work...basically
... the more one loses the tight grasp on definitions,
the more choice of freedom one has.
I start to come to the conclusion that religion
is absolutely not what we think it is. Our brains
get very confused about religion. On one hand
we all admit freely that we have our own mini-religions,
with mini-rituals, prayers, wishing... On another
hand we come across this or other religion or
cult and our brain immediately asks the question:
"Is this true?". And tries to analyse it to
the bone..
eadon:Update
on my religion research... Reading Matthew.
Curiously it seems to be saying pretty much
the exact opposite, morally speaking, to Genesis
and Exodus. No wonder the Jews had problems
with the New Testament. From what I have read
so far, the bible is nothing if not totally
self contradictory and confused. I would say
the Bible needs to be taken with a pinch (pillar?!)
of salt. You can't believe all of the Bible
because it says one thing one time and the opposite
another time. Therefore, which bits do you believe?
I say, not a lot. I am willing to believe that
many of the protagonists did live, but the supernatural
stuff seems extremely iffy. My theory is that
much of it is meant to be allegorical. I am
slightly disappointed. I thought the Bible would
be better. But it is still extremely interesting
in its own right, and I love some of the sayings,
an eye for an eye, etc.
MadPole:
We are just carriers of the knowledge. This
realisation is immense source of. .... knowledge!
We are just a carriers, but we insist on being
the authors.... And we spend so much time insisting
on it that we don't notice the other 90% of
the knowledge being passed through us and distributed
by very us, because we are too busy trying to
prove to the whole world that we are the authors
of the 10% our poor, cowardly brains managed
to grasp!
1999.
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